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jolem
09.06.03, 11:55 PM
Which will you prefer... PC or Mac?:)

allen lucas
09.06.04, 12:00 AM
Kung may pera ako I will go for MAC. pero for sure malaking adjustments ang gagawin ko, before i will change platform pag aaralan ko munang mabuti kung tatakbo dun yung mga software na kailangan ko.

rammstein
09.06.04, 02:19 AM
hehehe. the never-ending debate over which is better.

i've always been a PC user, i can't really say that it's better because i've never used a mac. it looks cool, though. parang puro high-class lang ang nakikita kong may mac. hehehe.

kuya allen, i think walang mac support sa cakewalk sonar kaya malaking adjustment ka talaga pag nag switch ka. hehehe.

czyre
09.06.04, 06:11 AM
Weh... MAC po ako and it's driving me nuts kasi sanay ako sa PC. Sa sinabi ni Rammstein, siguro sa lahat ng mac-users sa mundo ako ang pnakalow-class at pinakawalang kwentang mac-user LOL

Sabi nila mas maganda daw ang mac lalo na sa mga mahilig mag-browse ng net kasi safe ka sa virus and may lifetime warranty ka. May mga programs din naman sa windows na pwede mo na ring i-run sa mac. Sanayan lang naman, I just don't have the luxury of time to explore my mac kaya I still prefer PC.

allen lucas
09.06.04, 12:11 PM
kuya allen, i think walang mac support sa cakewalk sonar kaya malaking adjustment ka talaga pag nag switch ka. hehehe.

mukhang talagang d ako bibili ng mac kase yung main software na kailangan ko d nito supported, ayokong gumamit ng garage band kase panibagong aral na naman yun, instead na mag aral ako ng bagong software magpapraktis na lang ako ng mga irerecord ko, yung ipangbibili ko ng mac ipangbibili ko na lang ng magandang PC design for recording.

bajo
09.06.04, 06:04 PM
Panalo ang ads ng Mac vs. PC.
http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/

Alexander
09.06.16, 02:33 PM
PC... limited kasi ang applications na applicable sa work ko sa MAC, isa pa, kung meron man ay sobrang mahal

nlim
09.06.16, 10:04 PM
Pang porma ang Mac- nakakahabol nanaman ang PC patas na ang mga bits ng OS. Mahirap naman ang dlawang OS parang nakakalito yun di ba? Ang target daw ngayon ng Mac ay mapatakbo ang mga Windows program sa kanilang OS yung ang nabasa ko last week sa isang press release nila - parang ang nagnyayari ngayon " if you can't beat them join them" - so patatakbuhin na nga nila ang Windows compatible sa Mac para nga naman dumami ang bumili ng Apple- just wait for further development.\
O Allen, may pagasa ka na - ipon na at ilang panahon na lang Mac can operate Windows programs.:)

allen lucas
09.06.17, 01:00 AM
Ayos :ecstatic: may panahon pa ako para ag ipon, siguro pag may pera na ako na pambili eh compatible na lahat ng pc based program sa MAC, bakit kase d na lang nila gawing isang malaking company ang windows at mac.

titopao
09.06.17, 07:18 AM
Na-mention ko na ito elsewhere...if you really must need to try a Mac but still use your Windows program, you don't need to but a separate hardware. A virtualization software such as MS Virtual PC, VirtualBox and VMWare would do the trick for you.

In fact, in many cases, a program or even an OS will run faster when run inside the virtualization software than when installed natively into the system. Personally tested namin ito sa office: a Windows XP installation that would normally take about a half hour if installed onto a hard drive installed in just 10-12 minutes when run inside Virtualbox 8)

Re Mac running Windows apps in the future...we should thank Apple because they decided to move the Mac from the PowerPC architecture to the Intel x86/x64 architecture. Kung hindi ginawa ng Mac yun, mananatiling pangarap na lang yung pagpapatakbo ng Windows apps sa Mac :P

allen lucas
09.06.17, 12:02 PM
titopao hindi ba mabigat sa system yung virtualbox? pag halimbawang naka virtualbox ako ng MAC os mababatakbo ko na ba dun yung mga MAC os kahit naka windows ako na main OS?

czyre
09.06.18, 09:17 AM
May ginawang thread si titopao about virtualbox noon.:) Hinihintay kong may sumagot sa mga queries ko doon. Check mo nalang doon kuya Allen.

titopao
09.06.18, 11:21 AM
I couldn't reply (yet) to the other thread kasi I'm still researching on the topic of running Virtual Box on a Mac, partly because I don't own one :P Parang kokonti pa lang din kasi ang mag good reviews na nakikita ko about running VBox on a Mac, I'm trying to look for the best ones I can find on the net :P

czyre
09.06.18, 11:34 AM
That's fine, I can wait.:) I have already installed virtualbox on my mac and so ready to give up boot camp. I just don't know what to do next that's all hehe...

michaela
09.06.23, 07:10 PM
steve jobs is making slaves out of people to but worthless apple products. its all just hype.

Bok
09.06.24, 12:31 AM
I'm a mac! :)

michaela
09.06.25, 04:49 PM
I use a HTML editor in Linux called http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/index.html When I installed it on Kubuntu, I’d gone to Bluefish’s website on a whim to see if there were any ports of it on other operating systems and I remembered reading that it worked on OS X. I didn’t have a Mac then so I didn’t really read that much into it…. When I got my Mac however, I went back to Bluefish’s
website to download the installer package for OS X only to find that there wasn’t one… All there was about Bluefish for OS X was this line:
Mac OSX users can use fink install bluefish to download and
install Bluefish.:)

rammstein
09.06.26, 12:32 AM
check this out... from http://www.osnews.com/story/19541/Apple_Is_Loser_in_Three-Way_Hacking_Contest/

the story is a bit old, an i'm not sure if recent patches and updates have made any difference now.

An Apple Mac was the first victim in a hacker shoot-out to determine which operating system is the most secure. A former US National Security Agency employee has trousered USD 10000 for breaking into a MacBook Air at CanSecWest security conference's PWN 2 OWN hacking contest. The MacBook was lined up against Linux and Vista PCs - which have so far remained uncracked. Nobody was able to hack into the systems on the first day of the contest when contestants were only allowed to attack the computers over the network, but yesterday the rules were relaxed so that attackers could direct contest organisers using the computers to do things like visit websites or open email messages. The MacBook was the only system to be hacked by Thursday. Miller didn't need much time. He quickly directed the contest's organisers to visit a website that contained his exploit code, which then allowed him to seize control of the computer, as about 20 onlookers cheered him on. He was the first contestant to attempt an attack on any of the systems." There is more bad news for Apple: "If you have Apple and compare it to Microsoft, the number of unpatched vulnerabilities are higher at Apple." Update: The contest is over. Vista got hacked using Adobe's Flash, Ubuntu was left standing.

also found in: http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?newsID=11825&pagtype=all

titopao
09.06.26, 08:01 AM
@rammstein: Haha...that's old news na, was surprised that someone else brought it up just now ;)

S'yempre maraming nagulat kasi the, uh, security expert was able to break into the Mac, but most reports almost always miss out the fact that he's been doing penetration testing for quite some time. This means it's something that should be expected from him.

My understanding is that the patch was specific only to that vulnerability...in fact, per the contest rules, the newly-discovered vulnerabilities were disclosed only after they were reported to the browser vendors (after the contest) and only after the patches were created. So it would only make a difference only if your browser wasn't updated to fix that vulnerability. Of course, hindi n'ya sakop ang mga undiscovered vulnerabilities :P

czyre
09.06.29, 09:45 AM
I couldn't reply (yet) to the other thread kasi I'm still researching on the topic of running Virtual Box on a Mac, partly because I don't own one :P Parang kokonti pa lang din kasi ang mag good reviews na nakikita ko about running VBox on a Mac, I'm trying to look for the best ones I can find on the net :P

Ako nalang ang sasagot ng tanong ko about this sa thread na 'to... Hehe...

VIRTUALBOX (http://www.bukaspalad.com/board/showpost.php?p=90353&postcount=4)

Jon2
09.06.30, 09:52 AM
Czyre, bakit ayaw mo na sa Boot Camp?
abc
I still am for a black macbook kahit wala nang ginagawang ganun.

czyre
09.06.30, 10:55 AM
Kasi po sa boot camp kelangan i-restart yung PC para lumipat from one OS to another. Sa VirtualBox naman nasa loob na siya ng Mac OS mismo so no need to restart. Kaya lang ang problem ko ngayon, I'm getting an error message pag ni-install ko yung XP sa virtualbox. Setup error something... Kaya research mode muna ako hehe...

michaela
09.07.01, 06:16 AM
I’m missing my Mac, hope SG have a power adaptor soon!

mark_chua
09.07.03, 09:49 PM
Im 6months Mac User and I love it! I installed recently Parallel Desktop... which enables me to install Windows vista or XP para magamit ko ang Finale sa macbook.

czyre
09.07.07, 10:21 PM
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww282/czyre_czyre/VirtualBox.jpg

After trying out 4 installation cd's, Here's my MacBook - Windows XP in my MAC OS using VirtualBox. :ecstatic: I did all by myself woohoo!!!LOL Pasensiya na, na-excite lang ako hindi naman kasi ako techie but I was able to make it work hahaha...

Thanks to titopao for introducing VB.:)

rammstein
09.07.08, 12:54 AM
hindi naman kasi ako techie but I was able to make it work hahaha...

congrats! balitaan mo kami kung may stability issues running windows in VB. thanks! :)

allen lucas
09.07.08, 01:33 AM
Congrats trina, ang linis ng desktop ng macbook mo, sa akin d ganyan parang gubat. balitaan mo kami sa performance ha.

czyre
09.07.08, 08:46 PM
Hehehe... Thank you! So far ang problem ko palang naman eh yung "right-click" at saka yung gumagamit (ako) hehehe... At dahil sira yung DVD ko (remember? sa kabilang thread) di ko pa na-install mga drivers saka yung office. Yung shared folder rin nagloloko, kung minsan nabbuksan ko kungminsan di ko mabuksan. Argh... Baka nasa akin lang talaga ang problema. Hehe...

@Kuya Allen. wait till you see laman ng mga folders sa desktop ko - malala pa sa gubat! LOL)

allen lucas
09.07.09, 12:21 AM
Sabi na nga ba at nakatago lang sila, parang yung desktop ko nilagay ko sa isang folder lahat ng desktop icon para makita ko yung maganda kong wall paper. ilang araw na lang at magagamay mo din yan.

czyre
09.07.09, 08:49 PM
Hehe... Napagana ko na USB ko at na-discover ko na rin kung paano paganahin yung right click sa XP Guest-OS X Host. Ang next na di ko ma-gets ngayon eh yung shared folders.

OT: Can someone help me HERE (http://www.bukaspalad.com/board/showpost.php?p=91759&postcount=5) please? I'm desperate.

michaela
09.07.15, 07:42 PM
Anyone knows how to get an usb camera to stream video on a mac? I have a sony hd and another one that’s miniDV not sure of the brand. They are all usb cameras though! QuickTime broadcaster requires firewire cable...

michaela
09.10.20, 12:37 AM
i just have one thing to share to all of you today :

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

rolandp43
09.10.20, 12:58 AM
salamat po sa link...:nice:

czyre
09.10.25, 02:21 AM
Nakita ko lang to sa youtube... Sensiya na, Mac ako eh hehehe...

<object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Gk4FIIkKXdw&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Gk4FIIkKXdw&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object>

<object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/XuPR_z0eLrA&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/XuPR_z0eLrA&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object>

markjeff
09.10.26, 10:22 PM
Mac Air ....... hanggang pangarap na lang ako hahahah ang mahal. cyempre kung saan ka sanay un ang gamitin mo. :)
i still prefer the pc ksi abundant ang software at capabilities. masyado strict at proprietary ang mac.

czyre
09.10.27, 09:50 AM
not with me... thanks to virtualbox hihi... ;)

sjclc
09.10.27, 10:34 AM
i just have one thing to share to all of you today :

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant
Re: Your link, I found one interesting line :p
4,402,943 Mac fans switched back over to Windows, even though Windows is just as shitty.

Not that I'm a Windows loyalist as well, but the Mac owes its fame to heavy advertising that usually involves trash talking about other OSs. And Windows owes its fame to the constant complaining of Mac users who apparently saw the light by switching. Give Mac some time, say 15 years and we'll see how people react. Also, PC =/= Windows. A Mac can be counted as a Personal Computer, because it is a computer, and people use it for their personal activities.

I'd prefer a Linux actually if it was user-friendly.

titopao
09.10.27, 10:57 AM
Nagswitch back sila kasi...well, for ordinary users, I don't think it's a smart move to try another OS, especially if you've been using one for years. Pustahan tayo, yung iba sa mga nag-try ng Mac pero bumalik din ng Windows, madalas magtanong ng "Asan ang My Computer/My Documents/Recycle Bin?" :P

Nag-try ka na'ng gumamit ng Ubuntu (or maski Edubuntu, Kubuntu or Xubuntu)? :)

sjclc
09.10.27, 11:50 AM
No. But I think discussing Linux on this thread would be off-topic already.

titopao
09.10.27, 12:12 PM
Actually...Macs these days are already fancy versions of Linux (or BSD Unix, to be more accurate). If you know how to use command lines/consoles/terminals in Linux, you should be able to use Mac's terminals as well. And if you're familiar with the Mac interface, you'll be at home with Linux because the Mac interface is just a fancified version of Linux. (And just to drive the point straight...you could actually make most Linux applications run on Mac. But that's a little too advanced for most users na :P )

So parang ganito lang yan: a Mac is a more user-friendly *nix. And Microsoft Windows is the pretender who wants to become another Mac and, with Vista and Windows 7, Linux :P

And that...is why I'll never return to Windows again, unless I need to use Photoshop, Finale, Cakewalk and Sound Forge LOL

macky2green
11.02.09, 09:21 PM
Mac for me! 8)

Oh, by the way, I'm a member of PhilMUG - The Philippine Mac Users Group (http://www.philmug.ph) and a founding member of QMac - Qatar Mac User Group (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Qatar-Mac-Users-Group-QMac/167317936630071). ;)

manoiskee
11.03.27, 01:39 PM
i've never used a mac before pero pansin ko ang pinakasikat na applications sa mac are more on multimedia (music/video editing), mas madalas naman gamitin ang windows for business apps and most especially sa extreme gaming.

titopao
11.03.31, 07:15 PM
i've never used a mac before pero pansin ko ang pinakasikat na applications sa mac are more on multimedia (music/video editing), mas madalas naman gamitin ang windows for business apps and most especially sa extreme gaming.

Idadagdag ko lang: image editing and photography.

Mag-ikot ka sa mga ad agencies or professional photography studios...chances are, naka-Mac din sila :)

And if I may add...Adobe Photoshop (among others) was originally created for the Mac, which more or less started the "tradition" ;)

manoiskee
11.03.31, 08:05 PM
ay, uu, forgot to add that, siguro kasi mas oriented tayo dito towards music...

right now with win 7 medyo maganda na ang performance with its improvements. besides, i don't really see myself buying a mac. if i ever had enough money to buy a mac i'd rather assemble a custom PC. masyadong mahal ang mac, i'd use the money i save to buy better hardware for a sweet gaming rig. talap. :D

mark_chua
11.04.05, 10:05 PM
I'm a MAC user for 2 years now and I'm very happy with it... no turning back.. hehehe! :)

sjclc
11.04.05, 11:55 PM
Pareho sentiments ko with manoiskee... If I had enough money to buy a Mac I would just assemble a custom hardcore performance PC.

And, since Windows came before Mac, it's really illogical to say that Windows is a Mac-wannabe.

I'm not saying I prefer Windows over any other OS, but I feel that Macs are too expensive for what they can offer; or put simply, overpriced.

manoiskee
11.04.06, 05:24 PM
extreme pc build anyone? :)

eFLorxs-SMU

titopao
11.04.07, 08:25 PM
And, since Windows came before Mac, it's really illogical to say that Windows is a Mac-wannabe.

This is a tricky proposition....

Windows the tool came as an add-on to the MS-DOS operating system, which preceded Windows the OS. That was way before the Mac. But the very first Windows was a text-based tool at the time.

(And by "tool", I mean this: magbo-boot ka muna sa DOS, then pag nasa command prompt ka, iru-run mo pa ang Windows bilang isang command-line tool.

But Mac beat DOS/Windows in coming up with a fully graphical interface.

Then Windows the tool caught up and became graphical, too. Later, Microsoft ditched MS-DOS as the principal OS and decided to make Windows the OS.

Pero kung paunahan lang talaga sa pagiging graphical OS...neither Mac nor Windows was the first. Unix-based OSes were the first :)

manoiskee
11.04.10, 11:30 PM
32lMllDte3M

:)

manoiskee
11.05.03, 12:48 PM
Image of the White House crew watching the live feed of the assault on Osama Bin Laden.

notice anything? :) (http://i.imgur.com/tjRP1.jpg)

titopao
11.05.03, 02:26 PM
Walang Mac. Sila ay gumagamit ng...Red Hat Linux-based laptops (http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2008/dod_ipv6_certification.html) LOL

manoiskee
11.05.03, 02:47 PM
korak...

and anything Apple enthusiasts see as not a Mac they consider not good enough for them... :D

allen lucas
11.05.04, 08:50 AM
Puro HP sila. ano kaya ang reason?

titopao
11.05.04, 10:54 AM
@manoiskee: And as it seems, not even Windows is good enough LOL

@allen: Baka naman nagkataon na naka-secure ng procurement contract from HP, which explains why they have the same brands. Alangan namang may kasamang Lenovo or Mac kung HP yung nanalong bidder ng US government LOL

smooth
11.05.04, 03:46 PM
Malamang customized yang OS ng laptop nila for security.

manoiskee
11.05.04, 04:19 PM
@titopao korak mas targeted naman talaga kasi ng hackers ang windows, though linux distros are not impenetrable, linux servers are also hackable and are broken into regularly almost as much as windows servers.

did you notice nung lumabas ang Win7 at almost the same time biglang tumigil yung sunod-sunod na I'm a PC / I'm a Mac adverts nila?

titopao
11.05.04, 04:54 PM
@titopao korak mas targeted naman talaga kasi ng hackers ang windows, though linux distros are not impenetrable, linux servers are also hackable and are broken into regularly almost as much as windows servers.

Not really because Windows is "less secure" than other OSes (although it is true :P ), but because...look at it this way:

--- Windows is hands down installed on a majority of consumers. If you're a rogue programmer, would you rather write a software attack on an OS that is widely used in the whole world, or an OS that is used only by a handful of people? (See "I Love You" virus.)

--- Related to the previous point: there are very few consumer users of Linux and Unix-like distros. I stress consumer, kasi in all likelihood a regular *nux/*nix user is more knowledgable than their Windows counterparts. And a virus maker has a fat chance of destroying that *nux/*nix user's system :P

--- Also related to the first point: Microsoft is notorious for being a closed-source company. Ayaw mag-share ng secrets, ni "Hello world" na nasa loob ng source code ng Windows wala. And MS wants to brand itself as a reliable consumer software provider. Writing software that defeats that "security" is guaranteed to be an insult to Microsoft's reputation :P

--- Somewhat related to the second point: sa sobrang dami ng Linux/*nix distros, there's no guaranteed way to ensure that a virus/malware that works on one distro will also work on another. You either have to give up, or focus on one distro (until the writers of that OS/distro figures out how to patch the vulnerability---which they will, and faster than Microsoft can :P) or pray and hope that the system administrator or system/unit owner does not know enough on how to secure their system (which is still less likely :P )

And on top of it all...hindi pa kasama diyan ang mga BSD operating systems. Especially if you're dealing with OpenBSD (http://www.openbsd.org), which is way, way advanced, security-wise, than any mainstream OS (uso sa mailing lists ng computer security ang reply na "This xxx vulnerability in *nux/Windows/Mac has been fixed in OpenBSD a year ago" :P ).

Either way, talo pa rin ang Microsoft :P :P :P

This does not mean that the Mac is vulnerable, though. If that was the case, why are the iPod, iPhone, iTouch and iPad are always jailbroken? Plus the fact that a good number of people want to buy a Mac/Apple product...you get the picture :P

manoiskee
11.05.04, 04:57 PM
...almost as much as windows servers...

ay, correction...

linux right now totally dominate the server market and thus linux servers are bigger targets than windows servers kaya they are now hacked a lot more than windows servers. a lot of people use linux kasi libre, also thinking linux is hackproof falling into a false sense of security, not knowing they'll be broken into just as easily.

titopao
11.05.04, 05:10 PM
ay, correction...

linux right now totally dominate the server market and thus linux servers are bigger targets than windows servers kaya they are now hacked a lot more than windows servers. a lot of people use linux kasi libre, also thinking linux is hackproof falling into a false sense of security, not knowing they'll be broken into just as easily.

Some things to consider:

--- Good system administrators will run software updates as often as they can. Those Linux servers that get hacked...are caused by lazy or less-knowledgable sysadmins LOL Hindi komo libre ang baril ay magiging magaling kang sharpshooter, magdedepende rin yun sa skills mo sa paghawak ng baril. It's the Indian, not the pana ;)

--- Because of its open-source nature, Linux/*nix OSes get to have their software patched faster than Microsoft does. Open-source does not only mean "free (as in beer)", users are just as free (as in freedom) to modify and correct the software (assuming they have the skills and knowledge)...add collaboration with that, and you get security fixes that are guaranteed to have been tested by dozens (if not hundreds) of users before the OS project's admins adopt the fix as official. Samantalang sa Microsoft...the most that you can do is to send a bug report to MS, and pray a novena---and three times pa---that MS's programmers can come up with a security fix ASAP.

--- As of April 2011, nine out of the top ten most-reliable hosting services are running on a non-Windows OS, with zero downtime. (No further explanations needed 9) )

manoiskee
11.05.04, 05:11 PM
http://www.zone-h.org/archive

defacement hacks lang yan, kayabangan ng mga hacker kumbaga, but who's to say they didn't do other types of hacking too?

i think i see some FreeBSD servers listed there as well... :)

manoiskee
11.05.04, 06:04 PM
9 out of 10 ang non-windows, parang ganyan din naman talaga ratio ng server OSes ngayon, konti na lang talaga nagamit ng windows sa server market. and like you said, kung matino ang admin kayang paandarin reliably kahit windows based "lang" as evidenced by that 1 out of the top ten. regarding updates, matagal ka na sigurong di gumagamit ng windows, sa totoo lang napipikon ako sa dami ng mga dumadating na automatic updates, palagi na lang may notification, nakakalimutan ko rin i-off, lolz.

heniweyz we're off-topic na. PC or Mac daw eh. i still prefer my Win7 and WinXP PCs over any Mac. dagdag mo na rin yung pfSense router sa lumang Pentium 3 PC ko. :D

manoiskee
11.05.19, 11:46 PM
Apple to Customer Service: Don’t Help Our Customers with Malware (http://gizmodo.com/5803498/apple-to-customer-service-dont-help-our-customers-with-malware)

sjclc
11.05.20, 10:23 AM
But doesn't Linux also count as a PC? Since you can also modify it piece by piece and the only difference from a Windows is the OS (which, IMO, is a big difference but not enough to deviate it from the term PC). Mac is, well, a term Apple defined to refer to their own line of PCs which they claim to not be PCs.

manoiskee
11.05.20, 03:39 PM
eksakli...

titopao
11.05.21, 10:29 AM
But doesn't Linux also count as a PC? Since you can also modify it piece by piece and the only difference from a Windows is the OS (which, IMO, is a big difference but not enough to deviate it from the term PC). Mac is, well, a term Apple defined to refer to their own line of PCs which they claim to not be PCs.

True. However, by convention, "PC" will almost always refer to a computer that is Windows-based or, broadly speaking, using a non-Apple OS.

Historically kasi, the term "PC" (personal computer) was a marketing term that was used by IBM. Prior to the IBM PC (and IBM PC-XT), the term that was used for computers other than mainframes (e.g. servers) and minicomputers (business/scientific workstations) was microcomputers. Even when Bill Gates came up with the early version of MSDOS, he marketed it for "microcomputers" and not "PCs".

IBM came up with the IBM PC (and the later version called IBM PC-XT), which was also marketed as a "microcomputer". However, IBM later partnered with Microsoft and decided to adapt its MS-DOS operating system as the operating system of choice. Because the IBM PC and the IBM PC-XT sold so well, a lot of developers started creating plenty of software which were "IBM PC compatible", referring to both the hardware that works similar to IBM's system architecture and the underlying operating system. And as a result, when most people wanted to have their own computers, what they'll most likely find is an "IBM PC" or a "[IBM] PC clone", to the effect that other microcomputer brands started losing their market shares to the PC (as in, say, "the PC is gaining a wider market share than the Atari and the Commodore 80"). Effectively, PC started to become a term of its own right, in the same way that some Filipinos say "pabili ng Colgate" instead of "pabili ng toothpaste" :)

In contrast, Apple didn't brand itself as a "PC" or as a "personal computer" to distinguish itself from the IBM-based microcomputers (after all, it is an "Apple microcomputer", not an "Apple PC" because the "PC" was a term originated by one of its competitors). True, a Mac can be considered a PC in the sense of "personal computing", but for various reasons (kasama na doon ang pulitika), Mac enthusiasts don't often consider themselves "PC" users.

manoiskee
11.05.21, 11:39 AM
and that's why trying to bash windows over linux/bsd/etc is off-topic in this thread. it's Apple vs anything they didn't make.

bubble1276
11.06.04, 01:44 AM
PC is still better because some applications cannot be read in Mac. example would be the noteworthy composer which is a very good tool to study the satb parts if one doesn't know how to read notes.

chad9380
11.06.08, 09:16 PM
As for me, case-to-case basis lang yan, cyempre. Nakasalalay pa rin yan sa pangangailangan na mga "end-users" tulad natin.

macky2green
11.11.13, 01:58 PM
I think this topic (debate) is more suited to be discussed here (http://www.philmug.ph/forum/index.php)... ;)

And I'm sure all your questions/doubts/queries/hindrances, whatsoever, will be finally answered. :)

rolandp43
11.11.13, 04:43 PM
ako po, first time to use mac, pero nag-e-enjoy naman po ako, although, kinakapa ko pa yung mga shortcuts ng mac... hehehe.. nasanay sa windows...

manoiskee
12.08.03, 09:18 AM
Name Something that Apple Invented on Their Own and Win a SteelSeries Gaming Mouse (http://teksyndicate.com/news/2012/08/02/name-something-apple-invented-their-own-and-win-steelseries-gaming-mouse)

This is NOT sponsored by SteelSeries.

In the latest episode of The Tek, I asked users to name one thing that Apple has invented on their own. This contest should be educational and fun (how amazing and perfect!). Apple does innovate but rarely do they invent. There are a lot of people out there that think Apple is the creator and everyone else is a lowly follower. How many MAC fans screamed "iPad clone" when the MS surface surface? In fact, that technology has been around for a very long time.

Apple, typically, takes something that already exists and then improves upon it. With all the lawsuits and fan nonsense everywhere, people need to understand what is really going on. Apple is using the courts. They are part of their business strategy. They patent something vague and then sue every other company on the planet so that they can be the only ones in the market. It's ridiculous and it's bad for innovation.

The Contest
Name one thing that Apple invented on their own (after Woz left as an active team member), from start to finish, funded with their own money, etc. Software does not count.

kevinsteph19
12.08.04, 12:54 AM
pc.....kasi mkakapaglaro tlga q ng sobrang tataas na games..like nba 2k...gta.call of duty etc..bka kc pg sa laptop mcra...

Alexander
12.08.07, 07:55 AM
kevinsteph19,

If you haven't been here - http://www.bukaspalad.com/board/showpost.php?p=10&postcount=1; please read the rules regarding using the "text-speak"

Thanks

kevinsteph19
12.08.08, 03:06 AM
nabasa ko na po....
salamat po kuya alexander.. :)

SCC_Minstrels
12.09.20, 12:39 PM
PC pa din... pero when it comes to recording music especially with voice.. eh MAC dahil walang latency :)